A different view…

..on just about everything. And it also sounds true to me.  So what do you think ?

ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD

About Michaela

I am a wanderer and a wonderer, like you are. I love our journey and to walk in the company of friends – to learn, experience, share, laugh, cry and above all I simply love this marvelous, magical, mysterious life. I have no plan (cannot believe I am saying this) and my only intention is to be truthful to myself and others.
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4 Responses to A different view…

  1. Lilli says:

    “All goes back into the box !”
    This move should be watched by everybody in the world ….

  2. fatima says:

    Whew…a tough 3 hrs. Did anybody else watch this? Did you lilli? Marille?

    I thought this was so depressing but total and nonredeemable disaster is I suppose really possible. Ekhart says “humanity waking up is imperative and even so it may be too late.” He says something like that….paraphrased. It’s going to be painful…but right now, only if I think about it.

    Certainly Part I seemed a pretty realistic portrayal of the current social/political state…….in general. Watching it I thought …”Can this possibly have a happy outcome.” Well the answer is ….no, at least not in this rendition.

    The solution seemed as unreal, and dreadful as the problem.

    Part II Another hour of a world of machines and data and resource tracking….UPS gone wild. An occasional person/caregiver. Duh…talk about boring jobs.

    The Systems approach. Really? Where are all the people while this is going on? Or was this after the major genocide, leaving only the top one percent of the ‘beautiful people’ to re invent Life through science. No politics huh. Administered through world wide town meetings? Really? Not likely…people being people. Uggh. Why do I feel “Brave New World” instead of “A New Earth” projected from this movie?

    Did anybody else have the question…..”Who is “We” pal?” when he went into to The Solution? Who is going to going to administer and implement this wonderful worldwide sustainable resource system of machines? Oh yeah, maybe a suddenly enlightened IMF? Or the UN? Or the nobel peace prize panel. Nah… The worst of science fiction.

    Well…things are changing and maybe it is not too late.

    Some kind of exchange system for I have what you need and you have what I need is just too obvious and long standing….remember wampum? As is sharing, helping others who don’t have what they need….for what ever reason. Arrgh. Just everything is upside down.

    So…..religion and politics are dead too. Who ever made this film could find ‘nothing’ worthwhile in Religion or politics….the spiritual or the social governance/administration side of human life. As necessary to my mind and heart as human ‘needs’. Those final scenes were reminiscent of the Night of the Living Dead….an interesting film and much shorter. lol

    Let me just list a few indications from Islam. These are from the original community and teaching,
    First the Golden Rule prevails. Then all human beings are equal in the eyes of God and must be treated equally under the law and, you could say, have the right to life, liberty and happiness. Some people will have more individual resources than others. It is the religious duty for individuals who have whatever to share/serve with those who suffer lack…all kinds of lack…goods, skills, well being in charity. All muslims are expected to give charity but any who have wealth in excess of their needs, i.e. savings, are required to give 2 % of their savings to the poor….not to the church but into the hands of real poor people…annually. etc.etc. these are just the high points.

    Muslims are are not supposed to pay or charge interest of any kind. Interesting in light of the ponzi economy we are experiencing. Christ had something to say about that too. This is on the honor system, no middleman or church involved, so I suppose people could cheat if they wanted too but only the hypocrites would…believers wouldn’t.

    Muslim communities are supposed to choose from the wisest among themselves to be their leaders. Consultation is an important part of governance in addressing the particular needs of the community and resolving disputes.

    Moderation in everything is preferred except for drinking alcohol and gamboling which are seen as destructive within the family and community and so forbidden. Interesting these days to see the emphasis on these two specific things, a big personal and social problem worldwide.

    These are just a few. Imagine a world if these few principles where followed.

    Okay…so The Solution was a fantasy. So maybe I over reacted. I don’t know anything about this Venus project but if this movie is any indication….they are kind of scary. Enlighten me.

    • Michaela says:

      Oh, its certainly not an answer, let alone a solution. Its just the application of common sense. The most important thing is seeing the madness behind it all and revert to – what we have known all along. The Truth…

    • fatima says:

      So it was three hours of watching restlessness, my reactions, internal commentary and mental resistance. In retrospect, not a bad thing over all. Hopefully this is slightly less shrill but still says what I think is important. I heard somewhere that you can delete here, unlike some other places, but I don’t see how. Please delete my first post if you can. Thanks.

      I thought this was so depressing (who are these people?) but total and nonredeemable disaster for Earth and the human race is, I suppose, a real possibility.

      Certainly Part I seemed a pretty realistic portrayal of the current social/political state…….in general large cracks are appearing – more than just a small corner of the foundation but hopefully not so much that the house will slide down the hill. Watching it I thought …”Can this movie possibly have a happy ending?” Well the answer is, as it turns out, ….no, at least not in this rendition.

      Part II The solution seemed unreal, and as dreadful as the problem.

      An hour of a world of machines and data and resource tracking….UPS gone wild. An occasional person/caregiver to oversee the mechanics of mechanized infrastructure. Duh…talk about boring jobs.

      A Systems approach. Really? Where are all the people while this is going on? Or was this after the major genocide, leaving only the top one percent of the ‘beautiful people’ to re invent Life through science. No politics? Administered through world wide town meetings? Really? Not likely…people being people. I felt like they/he was laying the ground work for a “Brave New World” rather than “A New Earth”.

      Who is going to going to design, pay for, administer and implement this wonderful worldwide sustainable resource system of machines, these grand ideas? Maybe a suddenly enlightened IMF? Or the UN? Or the nobel peace prize panel. This presentation is like science fiction, or a Hollywood movies in the sense that if you suspend reality it becomes its own reality.

      Little things like daily life as we know it and real people as we know them to be and behave. Hasn’t there always been some kind of exchange system for, I have what you need and you have what I need? It is just too obvious and long standing….remember wampum? As is sharing, helping others who don’t have what they need….for what ever reason. And….doesn’t it imply really, really big government?

      So…..it seems that religion and politics are dead too …no answers there he says, “I looked. There are not answers there.” We don’t need any of that old stuff….we are so much smarter, more advanced than than ‘those’ people. Wasn’t it very recently that Karl Marx or Trotsky who felt that way….”We could really do it better than God.”

      We are so much smarter now, so much more capable of managing our individual lives, our families, communities….so what’s happened? What has advanced is quantitative, in my opinion, qualitatively nothing much has changed in human beings or society since forever.

      Part III The happy ending. Those final scenes were reminiscent of the movie, ” Night of the Living Dead” ….interesting but a little creepy.

      Politics – governance on any level, is what humans make of it. Religion does have solutions…to the root of the problem. They all do but Islam is more modern and more specific.

      These are from the original community and teaching.

      First the Golden Rule prevails, “do unto your brother….”. In addition, all human beings are equal in the eyes of God and must be treated equally under the law and, you could say, have the right to life, liberty, happiness, food, shelter, etc. Some will always have more resources than others, just as some will have brown eyes – destiny. It is a religious duty for individuals who have material gifts to share/serve with those who suffer lack (…all kinds of lack…goods, skills, illness, calamity, to give in charity) in addition to what some call tithe.

      All muslims are expected to give charity but any who have wealth in excess of their needs, i.e. savings, are required to give 2 % of that excess to the poor….not to the church but into the hands of real poor people…annually.

      This annual ‘giving’ called Zakat is on the honor system, no middleman or church involved, so I suppose people could cheat if they wanted too. Individual conscience prevails. It is an antidote to selfishness. “My money. I might need it someday.”

      Also, Muslims are told not to pay or charge interest of any kind. Interesting in light of the ponzi economy we are experiencing.

      Muslim communities are supposed to choose from the wisest among themselves to be their leaders. Consultation is an important part of governance in addressing the particular needs of the community and resolving disputes.

      Moderation in everything is preferred, conscious behavior. Drinking alcohol (intoxicants so drugs too) and gamboling are forbidden because they are seen as destructive within the family and community. Anything that undermines the social contract of trust and security is addressed. Recognizing that under the best of circumstances, Life itself presents challenges? Interesting these days to see the emphasis that was put on these things so long ago and in such different conditions….no casinos then for one example.

      If these indications were followed by a majority we would be looking at a very different world. Of course for that to happen….people would really have to wake up. There is no question that this is not happening in Muslim countries either although I think you saw more harmonious societies in Moorish Spain for some centuries and the Ottoman Empire for many.

      Will some of these indications contribute to a New Earth? And, secondarily, does a systems approach to world governance have a place? We’ll see.

      So..this film did present a different point of view and some potentially interesting ideas. But overall my impression was that what was behind it was ……maybe, excessively idealistic in a very material way. Wasn’t that the fatal flaw of Communism? Ayn Rand on steroids. Anyway, it is just not all about goods, services and resources.

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